P2S podcast: From CapEx to outcomes, how CFOs manage 80+ assets as a service

In episode 5 of the P2S Management Consulting podcast, host Florian André talks with Martin Gruber (Findustrial), Cyprian Bruck (Linxfour) and Kurt Miller (Energy Partners) about the real economics of Product-as-a-Service: contracts, financing and operating models that make outcome-based offers work at scale.

P2S Management Consulting podcast with Martin Gruber

The P2S Management Consulting podcast looks at how companies turn products into services. Episode 5 brings together three practitioners from the financing and operating side: Cyprian Bruck of Linxfour, Kurt Miller of Energy Partners, who operates more than 100 million euros of industrial assets under service contracts, and Findustrial co-founder Martin Gruber. Host Florian André asks what it actually takes for a CFO to say yes to an outcome-based model.

The conversation covers the questions Findustrial hears from manufacturers every week: how to structure a contract when the customer pays for output instead of ownership, how refinancing partners price usage risk, which operating model keeps 80 or more assets running as a service, and why energy pricing is a useful analogy for Equipment-as-a-Service. Roughly 48 minutes, in English.

Published by P2S Management Consulting on YouTube on 8 January 2026. Summary by Findustrial.

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